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I have not yet read and commented on the transcript. I should have that done and up by the end of the day. A lot of hours in the sky today.

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Thank you! - dfw
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You know, when I graduated from high school, there was a fairly finite list of vocations and professions that I could pursue, with the expectation that with a degree or diploma in that area, I would be ready for a career. A few years ago I asked a group of about 220 parents, a majority of them professionals, how many of them were currently doing what they went to college to learn to do. Only six hands went up. You go to college today to get your first job. From then on, it's your skill and proclivity to continue to learn. It you're learning lifestyle. - dfw
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... with some meaningful goal in mind. But also, they need to be held responsible for effectiveness and appropriateness of their work. What I was saying about literacy really has more to do with the conversations we have in our classrooms than what our children are doing with computers.
If I was style teaching my students would be familiar with my asking -- even expecting me to ask -- "How do you know that's true." Being able to offer the evidence that a statement is true is as important as its correctness.
They would also be able to challenge my statements, and I will need to be able to offer evidence.
I'll add one more item here. That evidence does not always have to be scholarly. Sometimes there is no authoritative backing for a statement. It rests on pure logic. I think we should bring back Rhetoric as a required subject, the art of argument. If this equals this, and that equals that, then this should also equal that. Did I get that right? ;-) - dfw
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Yes! But what's the need? Teachers are no longer the providers of knowledge. We are now the elicitors of need. - dfw
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"Lifelong Learning" makes me think of professional or vocational learning - having to do with work. Learning lifestyle covers all areas of living and learning. Much of the learning we do today has more to do with our play, entertainment, and hobbies than our professions or vocations. When did we become producers of workforce, instead of perpetuators of democracy. I know that's a grossly over simplified response to a deeply complex issue. - dfw
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I love it. They have a sense of no ceiling in their outside the classroom experiences. But their classrooms seem to provide more limits than opportunities. So suggesting lifting the ceiling in formal education is brilliant. One of the best things I've read in a while. - dfw
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Scratch is cool. But there are several such tools out there now. That has been a recent resurgence in programming as a basic skill in education, not only because of STEM, but also because it help develop higher order thinking skills. - dfw
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But, again, the power was in the purpose. "I want you to motivate next year's seniors to want to read this play." Next year's seniors could do MacBeth. - dfw
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Alice is another one, though quite different. As an aside, my son tried majoring in computer science for a year. He hated it, because they tried to teach him programming. He hated it. It was all about syntax and not about making computers do interesting things. I, on the other hand, taught myself programming, in order to get computers to do interesting things for me. I love it. It's the same joy I once had playing with legos. - dfw
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I don't know. It's a huge problem, and one bigger than your classroom or school district. Other countries have decided that it was in their interest, as democracies, to get access to every citizen. In Finland, home access to high speed Internet is a legal right. It's considered a commodity here, only for those who can afford it. This is not a Warsaw problem. It is a national problem.
There are many in today's federal government who understand this. But we've found ourselves in such dire economic straights that we've not been able to act on those desires. I just read that the U.S. is something like ninth in the world with regard to Internet penetration. - dfw
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It's a good question. But if I might reword it just a bit. What about the fact that some students have more drive to be taught than others. I suspect that many reluctant learning in our classrooms might actually be quite skilled at learning, especially if they're going home to play video games or write fan fiction, or what ever. There are many stories out there about kids who are poor writers in class, but actually have a loyal following in the fan fiction world.
All I'm saying is that we need to adapt our pedagogies toward the learning skills that our children are developing outside the classroom. - dfw
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Yes! Yes! Yes! It is important to make them aware of what motivates people and organizations to say and write what they do. But I would suggest an additional approach. Rather than drawing attention to the misinformation, she should focus on what supports the good information. Again, "How do you know that's true?" - dfw
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Thanks! - dfw
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:-). I've lost count. Understand that I've been building web sites since the early 1990s. I created the first state department of education web site in 1994, and have been writing web code ever since. Again, I have an idea that I think is cool, and I set out to build it. - dfw
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I have just started working on it again for the first time in years. There are so many web sites out there that provide links to other web sites. But they all link to educational sites and apps. I want to link to real content that can be used by teachers, not educational games, though that will be there as well. - dfw
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I have not yet read and commented on the transcript. I should have that done and up by the end of the day. A lot of hours in the sky today.

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Thank you! - dfw
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\"We have no idea what our children will be doing 10 years from now.\" Very good point!

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"We have no idea what our children will be doing 10 years from now." Very good point!

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You know, when I graduated from high school, there was a fairly finite list of vocations and professions that I could pursue, with the expectation that with a degree or diploma in that area, I would be ready for a career. A few years ago I asked a group of about 220 parents, a majority of them professionals, how many of them were currently doing what they went to college to learn to do. Only six hands went up. You go to college today to get your first job. From then on, it's your skill and proclivity to continue to learn. It you're learning lifestyle. - dfw
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... with some meaningful goal in mind. But also, they need to be held responsible for effectiveness and appropriateness of their work. What I was saying about literacy really has more to do with the conversations we have in our classrooms than what our children are doing with computers.
If I was style teaching my students would be familiar with my asking -- even expecting me to ask -- "How do you know that's true." Being able to offer the evidence that a statement is true is as important as its correctness.
They would also be able to challenge my statements, and I will need to be able to offer evidence.
I'll add one more item here. That evidence does not always have to be scholarly. Sometimes there is no authoritative backing for a statement. It rests on pure logic. I think we should bring back Rhetoric as a required subject, the art of argument. If this equals this, and that equals that, then this should also equal that. Did I get that right? ;-) - dfw
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Yes! But what's the need? Teachers are no longer the providers of knowledge. We are now the elicitors of need. - dfw
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"Lifelong Learning" makes me think of professional or vocational learning - having to do with work. Learning lifestyle covers all areas of living and learning. Much of the learning we do today has more to do with our play, entertainment, and hobbies than our professions or vocations. When did we become producers of workforce, instead of perpetuators of democracy. I know that's a grossly over simplified response to a deeply complex issue. - dfw
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I love it. They have a sense of no ceiling in their outside the classroom experiences. But their classrooms seem to provide more limits than opportunities. So suggesting lifting the ceiling in formal education is brilliant. One of the best things I've read in a while. - dfw
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Scratch is cool. But there are several such tools out there now. That has been a recent resurgence in programming as a basic skill in education, not only because of STEM, but also because it help develop higher order thinking skills. - dfw
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But, again, the power was in the purpose. "I want you to motivate next year's seniors to want to read this play." Next year's seniors could do MacBeth. - dfw
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Alice is another one, though quite different. As an aside, my son tried majoring in computer science for a year. He hated it, because they tried to teach him programming. He hated it. It was all about syntax and not about making computers do interesting things. I, on the other hand, taught myself programming, in order to get computers to do interesting things for me. I love it. It's the same joy I once had playing with legos. - dfw
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I don't know. It's a huge problem, and one bigger than your classroom or school district. Other countries have decided that it was in their interest, as democracies, to get access to every citizen. In Finland, home access to high speed Internet is a legal right. It's considered a commodity here, only for those who can afford it. This is not a Warsaw problem. It is a national problem.
There are many in today's federal government who understand this. But we've found ourselves in such dire economic straights that we've not been able to act on those desires. I just read that the U.S. is something like ninth in the world with regard to Internet penetration. - dfw
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It's a good question. But if I might reword it just a bit. What about the fact that some students have more drive to be taught than others. I suspect that many reluctant learning in our classrooms might actually be quite skilled at learning, especially if they're going home to play video games or write fan fiction, or what ever. There are many stories out there about kids who are poor writers in class, but actually have a loyal following in the fan fiction world.
All I'm saying is that we need to adapt our pedagogies toward the learning skills that our children are developing outside the classroom. - dfw
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Yes! Yes! Yes! It is important to make them aware of what motivates people and organizations to say and write what they do. But I would suggest an additional approach. Rather than drawing attention to the misinformation, she should focus on what supports the good information. Again, "How do you know that's true?" - dfw
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Thanks! - dfw
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:-). I've lost count. Understand that I've been building web sites since the early 1990s. I created the first state department of education web site in 1994, and have been writing web code ever since. Again, I have an idea that I think is cool, and I set out to build it. - dfw
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I have just started working on it again for the first time in years. There are so many web sites out there that provide links to other web sites. But they all link to educational sites and apps. I want to link to real content that can be used by teachers, not educational games, though that will be there as well. - dfw
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The future home of the Warsaw Missouri backchannel transcript.

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I have not yet read and commented on the transcript. I should have that done and up by the end of the day. A lot of hours in the sky today.

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Here is the transcript of your backchannel conversation for $eventID. This is a wiki page. As such, you can edit this page and insert text into the transcript, contining the conversation, as I have done. To edit, click the EDIT link at the top of the page. The password is teacher.

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Clovis I look forward to reading your conversation. 1 Nov 2013 - 11:10:40

loree I look forward to reading your conversation also 1 Nov 2013 - 11:13:03

James Haley Test 1 Nov 2013 - 11:13:57

Shawn Crouch \"We have no idea what our children will be doing 10 years from now.\" Very good point! 1 Nov 2013 - 11:26:13

Shawn Crouch What do kids need to be learning to prepare for an unpredictable future? 1 Nov 2013 - 11:34:28

Shawn Crouch From my point of view, I think we need to teach them how to use their resources effectively and appropriate. . . 1 Nov 2013 - 11:36:09

Shawn Crouch . . .ly so that they can get the information they need. 1 Nov 2013 - 11:36:49

Amy learning lifestyle...good stuff! 1 Nov 2013 - 11:43:58

Amy

 anything in an instant.  

1 Nov 2013 - 11:50:30

Rachel

  1. :WarsawSD We need to give our students a sense that there is no ceiling to their education...there is an answer to every question!"

1 Nov 2013 - 12:26:43

ann Excited about the scratch website. 1 Nov 2013 - 12:43:20

amanda adler Love the idea of movie trailers! I want to learn how to do that! 1 Nov 2013 - 12:44:25

Shawn Crouch Alice is another cool free programming tool for students. http://www.alice.org/index.php 1 Nov 2013 - 12:48:03

amanda adler How do we get around the fact that not all of our students have access outside of our school? 1 Nov 2013 - 12:50:56

Brian What about the fact that some students are more driven to learn than others? 1 Nov 2013 - 12:57:58

Shanda Miller @amanda adler. Me too! Our next project. 1 Nov 2013 - 13:04:49

amanda adler I agree that we have to teach our children about the misinformation out there and to question reliability. 1 Nov 2013 - 13:10:24

amanda adler Website backtracking-a great strategy for teaching web research in my class next week! 1 Nov 2013 - 13:14:33

ann Curious... How many websites have you created? 1 Nov 2013 - 13:16:43

amanda adler Wow! Check out that landmarks for schools website. Lots of useful links. 1 Nov 2013 - 13:25:14

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